CW: q slur, biphobia, lesbophobia, mogai bullshit, the split attraction model, fetishization of trans people, misgendering
So Abnormaldiversity has decided to fuck up again, at which point I made a comment calling out everything wrong with her post. And it was too long to be just a single comment because there was so fucking much wrong, so it ended up five comments - well, six, actually, since I accidentally posted one of them twice. And now they're on here.
CW: q slur
1. as a cis non mga person, bi and pan people's attraction to nonbinary people is literally none of your business.
1. as a cis non mga person, bi and pan people's attraction to nonbinary people is literally none of your business.
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- 2. Don't say h*m*sexual. you're not a gay man or lesbian, it's not yours to reclaim.
3. there actually is a lot of furor over lesbian identified women dating trans men, and rightfully so because trans men are men and if you call yourself a lesbian while knowingly dating a trans man you're a transphobe and lesbophobe - 4. the Kinsey scale is outdated and homophobic.
5. the split attraction model should only be used in the ace/aro communities (I.e. my own identity as a quoiromantic sapphic, or a friend of mine's as a bi gray-ace) and can lead to internalized homophobia and biphobia when used in ways like "biromantic h*m*sexual" because it leads to gay people (especially teenage lesbians, gay trans boys/men, and questioning people who are mentally ill and/or survivors) trying to force themselves to feel m/w attraction, and it sexualizes bi/pan identities because the word "biromantic" leads to assumptions that anyone who identifies as bisexual is talking specifically about their sexual attraction - 6. a "biromantic h*m*sexual" or "h*m*romantic bisexual" woman is just...a bisexual woman, and therefore not a lesbian. It doesn't matter whether her attraction to men is romantic, sexual, or both. It just matters that she DOES feel both attraction to men and women.
If she only wants to be with women/doesn't ever want to be with men and man aligned people, despite feeling attraction to men, she can identify as a lesbian if she wants. But you can't be both bi and gay.
7. there are lesbians who struggle with coercive heterosexuality or unwanted attraction to men, or who realized they were gay while dating a man and are now unable to leave that relationship, but you can't be genuinely attracted to and happily dating a man while identifying a lesbian because lesbian identity inherently rejects men. - 8. a cishet man who feels the need to have casual sex with cis women because he thinks being with a woman who has a penis is gay is a transmisogynist and is likely emotionally abusing his trans girlfriend.
9. if your brother's (apparently cis) friend would date cis women, trans men, and afab nonbinary people, but not cis men, trans women, or amab nonbinary people, he's a transphobe and doesn't respect his trans partners' identities or see trans women as real women.
10. As an afab nonbinary wlw, my sapphic identity has NOTHING to do with the fact that I have a vagina. It has to do with the fact that I identify with womanhood and this is true of all other nonbinary wlw and nonbinary mlm.
You cannot identify as, say, a lesbian demiboy just because you're afab, because lesbians and wlw cannot be man aligned and this identity is not only lesbophobic and sapphobic, but also transphobic to trans wlw because it validates the (terfy) assumption that lesbianism is attraction to vaginas, afab nonbinary wlw because it implies that our sexualities are based only in our assigned sex and that we're actually cis women and that our nonbinary-ness doesn't need to be taken seriously, and trans men because it implies that they're actually women and that their attraction to women is gay and that their attraction to men is not.
11. Trans men who identify as lesbians are wrong and are homophobic and transphobic for the same reasons. Trans men are men. Lesbians are women (or woman aligned nonbinary people).
12. Don't call anyone FTM or MTF unless you know they're okay with it, especially if you're cis, because it implies that trans men and women weren't always men or women (respectively) and many trans people feel that this is not the case for them. It's also used by TERFs and chasers to misgender and fetishize trans people.
13. as someone who would be considered an "afab demigirl", I do not "fit between cis and gender neutral". I'm not cis, I'm just a nonbinary person who isn't completely gender neutral.
14. Also, by implying that all nonbinary sapphics are afab, you're erasing transfeminine nonbinary wlw and implying they're not really wlw.
15. "It's important to remember that mga people have a better track record for accepting trans and nonbinary people than gays and lesbians do"
first of all, many trans and nonbinary people have said not to group us with bi/pan people for the purpose of pitting us against gay men and lesbians because this erases the fact that cis mga people are just as transphobic as any other cis person, makes it seem like gay people are oppressive for being gay, pressures trans/nb people into prioritizing cis mga people, and erases and misgenders gay trans men, lesbian trans women, and gay nonbinary people.
second, don't call gay people "gays" if you're not gay. It's dehumanizing.
There is absolutely nothing good about this post and I have absolutely no idea why you wrote it, besides the fact that you have already proven yourself to be homophobic and transphobic.
In any case, I figure you're going to delete this comment. After all, it was made by a nasty queer aphobe (though I'm arospec myself and nothing I've ever said has demonstrated a hatred or even dislike of ace people, just anger with cis non sga people who don't stay in their lane) who won't check their allosexual privilege. So before that happens, you should know that I'm going to copy and paste this comment and, if it's deleted, I'll turn it into a post on my own blog.
update:
ReplyDeleteBandit Angel7:40 PM
@Radioactive:
The most important lesson of Intersectionality is that you can't have a space that's safe for everyone. And this sucks.
For some people, "queer" is a slur that was used to bully them as kids. It is perfectly reasonable for them to want a safe space where "queer" isn't used, and it's perfectly reasonable for them to say "hey, FYI, I'm in your audience and triggered by that word, could you avoid using it?"
For other people, "queer" is an important part of their identity. It's perfectly reasonable for them to want a safe space where "queer" is a valid, respected identity, and where they can say "no, sorry, this is a queer space, you probably want to leave if that's a problem for you."
You raise a lot of good points, but I think they mostly represent your own local bubble, not a wider consensus. In particular: I'm trans. Most of my friends are trans. None of us would be bothered by any of the language in Ettina's article. It wouldn't even have occurred to me that "MTF" was problematic, until you posted your comments.
I think there might be room for you to say "hey, FYI, MTF is an older term, you might want to update to _____", but I'm honestly not even sure what you're suggesting as a replacement term. I definitely don't think calling Ettina transphobic, homophobic, or a bad ally is at all appropriate here.
Sometimes you're interacting with a different cultural bubble, and you have to accept that it's going to have different norms than you. When there's a wider consensus, and a lot of people are being hurt by the behavior, there's even room for callouts. But here, on a small personal blog, where there isn't really even a consensus within the trans community?
No, not the place for a callout like this.
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Radioactive6:03 PM
actually it is because this cis aroace piece of shit has constantly inserted herself where she doesn't belong and used slurs that she can't reclaim, and now she's making a post that I, a nonbinary person questioning between lesbian and bisexual, am rightfully saying is transphobic, biphobic, and lesbophobic. Which means that her job is to shut the fuck up for once in her life and defer to someone who actually knows what the hell they're talking about.
Further update: thinking asexuality and aromanticism are inherently lgbt apparently makes me an abuser. also, words no longer have meanings.
ReplyDeleteRadioactive is an abusive aphobe who has posted on my blog before. I've learnt there is no reasoning with this person, so I delete her comments when I see them. If she ever posts anything that is respectful disagreement, I'll allow it, but she hasn't.
9:25 AM
Blogger Radioactive said...
DO NOT call me abusive just because I care more about LGBT people's safety than cis non sga feelings. and when it comes to homophobia and transphobia, I owe you absolutely no respect.
the comment above mine was from ettina btw
ReplyDeleteBlogger Radioactive said...
Deletebtw:
http://thisistheateam.blogspot.com/2017/04/can-abnormaldiversity-just-not.html
and don't bother deleting any comment I make on your blog. I can do this over and over and over again, I'm not afraid to humiliate a homophobe with her own cowardice. you want to call gay/bi people allosexuals, tell us we're privileged for something that has been used as an excuse to rape us, abuse us, stalk us, arrest us, torture us, round us up into concentration camps, commit and condone government sanctioned genocide against us? I can't stop you, but that doesn't mean I'll be quiet when it's happening.